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In the book of Genesis, and the story of Joseph, Joseph, as you know, was one of 12 children. And he had the God-given ability to interpret dreams, and he told his brother that he saw them bow down before him. And it provoked envy. And as a

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consequence, Joseph was sold into slavery where he suffered in a house of Potiphi and was imprisoned for years, he suffered, went in at age 17 and he was 31, Pharaoh had a dream that none of his experts could answer, could interpret. And they cleaned up and

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brought this 31 year old uneducated Hebrew shepherd. And he interpreted the dreams. This time, Joseph didn't say I had these dreams. He said, God gave me these dreams. And as a consequence, he advised Pharaoh that there'll be 7 years of plenty followed by 7 years of

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famine, save up 20% and appoint an overseer, and Pharaoh broke a major paradigm unprecedented in history. He put in power the 31 year old uneducated Hebrew boy to be second in command of Egypt reaching across race and ethnic and religious lines. After all, Joseph was monotheistic

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and Pharaoh was polytheistic, but he was impressed with the secular consequences of Joseph's God and so in one sense they had a business relationship. Because he saw that everything that Joseph touched was excellent and it prospered. And, and responsible leaders, as I say, are people who

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are not impressed with what the material benefits. But they're able to dream bad dreams in good times and look into the future. And what we have assembled on this stage today are 6 business leaders. Who have As a consequence of their success, they've not built monuments

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to themselves, but they've used God's blessings to invest in programs and individuals that have had the consequence of transforming lives of people and so is I would ask each of them to introduce themselves starting with Steve Shuck from Colorado Springs and say something about themselves and

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and why they're here. Uh, my name is Steve Shuck. I'm a real estate developer from Colorado Springs. And uh like many others certainly everybody on this panel I've been deeply involved in my community and giving back wherever possible. Uh, but several years ago, uh, special experience.

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Uh, befell me, which, uh, I've, for which I've been grateful the rest of and will be grateful the rest of my life. I was introduced to a man named Bob Cote who operates Step 13. A homeless, uh, a substance abuse shelter for about 100 men in

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the what used to be the Bowery of Denver. And he takes no public funds. He simply does what is necessary to be done to save souls, to save lives, to rebuild self-respect, and he does it through self responsibility. And like so many others, uh, I have

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been participating in the political and the uh community service processes for decades. Um, but invariably what most of us are engaged in deals with symptoms and not underlying causes when we give money to the Red Cross the Boy Scouts or or the United Way, um, we

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help solve problems but we don't address causes. And in the case of step 13, Bob has literally saved lives, transformed lives, sent disciples out into the community to help multiply his, uh, his mission, his passion, almost as evangelicals, and so I have, uh, I have redirected

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my, uh, community activity. So that what I get engaged in now uh is focused on literally changing the causes of problems as opposed to simply redressing solutions um and and. And symptoms he took the words out of my mouth. I, I'm from San Antonio. We operate

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a couple of restaurants, um, a Mexican food restaurant and a German restaurant, so we specialize in enchiladas and knockwurst, but, uh, as I was growing up in, in business, I continued to try to find what was the real truth some truth still in life and what

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really worked and. I saw a lot of band-aids being put on well meaning and those band-aids were. Helping today but we're not affecting anything long term in our community. Um, I heard Freddie Garcia speak and about their ministry and for some reason the Holy Spirit said

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there's something real about what they're doing and when he asked me to come and see what they were doing. I was then able to understand with my heart what I could not ever see with my eyes and. saw that through their ministry. That by giving Christ

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all the praise and all the honor and all the glory that lives were being changed not just for a little while, not just for some comfort, but actually being changed where they would become uh involved in their families in the community in a meaningful way. I

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saw the worst looking bunch of people I've ever walked into a room with in my life. I've never been so frightened by the number of scars and tattoos and um I had some problem they said well let's pray for it and when I joined hands with

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those men. And we said a prayer. I realized that something had changed completely. In each one of those individuals and from what was a very fearful moment for me. Became the most comforting moment, one of the most comforting moments my marriage was another 11 of the

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most comforting moments that I've ever experienced and, and from that point on I have felt so privileged to know them to be. Around their ministry and yet recognizing that there's very little I can add to what they're doing um. They might need financial support uh but

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very rarely um what they need is what they need and how do you stay out of their way but yet still try to give them some support that would encourage them to continue doing what they're doing uh my relationship with them is to be available to

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them and that doesn't happen very often but when it does. It has always been a blessing and I've seen whatever they have been used to multiply God's great compassion and great love for each and every one of us. I'm, I'm Joe Dudley, I manufacturer hair care

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products and cosmetics and also educate cosmetologists from all over the world. Uh, I'm excited to be here. Uh, a lot of reason for us to do what we do. One of the things that I do is to get all of my employees. We have about 400.

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To work with me. And have to They make contributions to help unprivileged people and many channels that these people have. Well, one of the reason that we do this first, I will la mentally retarded. My mama told me, Joe, I know you're slow, the teachers know

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you're slow, your friends know you're slow, but son, that's all right. I believe that slow people could rule the world if they only have patience because when a slow one get it, they got it. So Yeah. So that moved me uh for a while, but as

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again the 11 kids uh uh. And we lived in a little shack that was 3 rooms. 9 slept in 1 room. And we was homeless for a while our house burned down and there's so many things happened and I remember this that drove me. Every Sunday

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morning, all of us got together. There was 14, including my granddaddy. And 12 will be on their knees. Praying and 2 will be found the flies to keep the flies from lighting on the food. And my granddaddy prayed, Lord, help the sick. Go to Washington to

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help these congressmen, senators, and the President of the United States and help them. He prayed for everybody, but I prayed and I said, Lord, come down to this black house and help get some of these flies out of this black house. And I said, Lord, if

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you help me. If you helped me. I'll spend the rest of my life helping people and that's a driving force for me because he delivered me. From this kind of situation, I mean, I, I ate many flies, I know. But Once you make it in a

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way. And you want to reach out and I'm so excited Reverend King reaching out building homes, 50 homes in one day and and just out there just. Working to make a difference in the world. I mean, it's not a matter of the color of your skin

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or the texture of your hair. All of us are human, we all came from the same source. And when you find people, Bob and what you're doing here, it just inspires me. The one thing that I like about what we're doing here, we're helping people to

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help themselves, and we have to help each other and I was sharing with how, how do we serve God? We serve God by certain people and how do God pay us by putting us in the right place at the right time and what this organization is

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doing so great. That is, don't have a pity party, you know, there's no pity party. They, they, they telling you who you are, get up and make it. I just salute you for what y'all done, all of you, but for you to lead the pack, I'm

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honored to be part of this, and thank you and thank all of you. Thank you, thank you. I was born right here in Washington DC October 22nd, 1928. Uh I guess for the most of my life I was interested in making money in girls and cars.

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I still like all three of those, but I've got, but I've got it under control now. You know, God, uh. Really has a marvelous plan for our lives. And, and they, and sometimes he plants a seed that doesn't begin to grow for years. 1947, I was

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on a swimming team and we went up to Bainbridge, Maryland to swim against the the Navy team up there. November coming home on old US one. Freezing cold, sleeting. We stopped at this whole time. Roadside diner for coffee and some breakfast hamburgers. And an old man

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walked in. He had an old galvanized coffee pot. And he asked the guy behind the counter, would you please? Fill my pot for me. And he said We don't serve *** in here. I really saw in that band's face. So much hurt, so much rejection, so

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much. I could have done, I was with 3 other guys, all of them bigger me. I could have. Get the guy to fill it up. And I could have gone, I, I could have gone outside with him and taken the pot back in and said, fill

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it up. But I just sat there Well, In 1981, uh, I turned my life over to the Lord. Um Went to the bank and opened up an account called God's account. And it was kind of funny because the guy, uh, sitting there in his little Gucci

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shoes and button down collar, and I told him he says at the new accounts desk and he said, well, I, I said I'd like to open up an account, he says, what's the name of the account gonna be? Certainly, sir. And I said, Well, it's gonna

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be called God's account. And he said, God's account? he said. Like in heaven GOD? I said yeah and uh I said, he said I don't, we don't have any. I've never heard of that before. Well, I know, is it against the federal banking laws? And he

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says, no. So he says, well, where's this money gonna come from? I says, well, I promised him the other day I was gonna give him 10% of everything he blessed me with from that day. The Bible says the Lord blesses you 10 times 10. Uh, in

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my case it's been 50 times 10 because I was asked to leave military school. I was asked to leave Catholic school. My college professor told me I should go drive a truck, lay brick, do something with my hands. But anyway, uh, he said, OK, you're gonna

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put 10% in this account. I call it God's account. And what are you gonna do with that money? I said, well, I'm gonna give it the projects. I think the Lord would bless. And uh and he leaned back this year he's kind of cocky, he said.

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Who's gonna sign for God? So I said, I'm gonna sign for God. So anyway, um, It's also easy to give your money away when it's not yours. If you give God His 10%, put it over there, all you have to do is be a good steward

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because sometimes God's account is full, sometimes it's not quite so full. But when you turn your life over the Lord and ask him to guide your life, it's absolutely. Amazing what he will do with it. President Bush, when he was governor, turned over the first prison

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in America to be managed under faith-based principles, which is Jester 2 in Houston, Texas. And I go down there once or twice a year. I had this black guy come up to me one day and he said, why you, why are you here? Why would you

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take your time to come fly all the way from Virginia to come down here and spend an afternoon with us? And The face of that black man and November 1947, who's been with me. Many nights have I seen him. And that look on his face. So

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I said that's why I'm here. I said, I'm paying. It's a payback time for me. And That little city God planted many years ago. Has helped About 60 children go through college has helped they support Chuck Colson's uh system very little. I'm just a. But so

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many things has enabled me to do because of God's account. I do have to share that when I sold my company with Century 21, which was a franchising real estate company, we had 435 offices and 6500 sales associates, so we sold it in 1996. And when

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I got my check, I sat there trying to 10% of X. I said, wait a minute, and Satan's working on me. He said, Hey George, you're crazy, man. Yeah so you, he says, man, he don't deserve all that. I mean, he helped you, but let's, let's,

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let's be sensible about this. Let's not be ridiculous. So that pen quivered in my hand and it quivered, but I gave him, it's his due. I gave him his wrote out that 10% check. God became a multimillionaire that day. But The joy in my life, you

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know, I just tell someone the other day I've never been happier because the doors that the Lord opens for you when you're really willing to share and get involved with people at all levels of life. It's just a mind boggling. Trip. I don't know how many

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of you have ever met a real true angel. I only know one. That's Iris Woodridge over there. She's my angel, and she does so much good for the inner city. Thank you so much. I'm John Sykes, uh, founder and chairman of Sykes Enterprises, uh, based in,

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uh, Tampa, Florida in 1940 when I was 41 years old, I started the company. And uh with. Everything I had, which was practically nothing. We started with 3 employees and today we've been blessed with 17,000 on 5 continents and. And um It blows my mind when

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I really think about it, uh, uh, when I, when I think about coming from the streets of Kennan Street and. Charlotte, North Carolina. Uh, on the other side of the railroad tracks and. And all my life people would say you know well you're this is where

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you belong you know you're you're not supposed to go to the other side you're gonna be able to accomplish things but somehow. God, uh Uh, as George has said, uh, had a plan. And uh when you trust and have faith in him, God has a plan

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for you and we don't know what it is. But um we've had the opportunity since going public in 1996 to To do a lot of things that we probably would not have had the opportunity to do for other people. And the reason that Susan and I

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do that is because we remember where we came from. And that we truly believe that uh God has put us here to bring hope and encouragement to other people. Now the reason that I'm here is because um of a wonderful lady uh named Chloe Cooney. Who

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started the Community Development Corporation in Tampa, Florida. And what uh Chloe did was that she, she believed enough that she needed to do something to help her people. That she quit her job and she said and gave up my 401ks and everything to go back into

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a community and to build it brick by brick and in a community that the Tampa police department will stand and tell you today that when they were called they wouldn't even go and. I, I have to admit publicly that when we were first approached with uh

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Chloe. Uh, that I was hesitant to uh. Uh, to be a part, not because I didn't believe I just didn't know it was easy. Steve was talking about to do things with the United Way. It was easy to do things with the American Red Cross. It

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was easy to do things in education and with universities, um, but then, uh, Chloe asked, uh, Susan and I to, uh, if we would, uh, be honorary chair people for one of her uh dinners. And we said, OK fine let's do that. And what happened is

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we became involved and I think that's one of the things that so often that uh we do is that it's easy to do the things that are easy to do and until you come to a point and become personally involved. To realize that that here here

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are folks who are trying to truly make a difference and as Chloe says one brick at a time and bless her heart and bless all the people that uh. I worked with her is that they tried to build a community one brick at a time. And

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God has blessed us to a way that uh we're commissioned. To give back We're commissioned to help other people. I'm Barry Maguire, um, from, uh, Irvine, California, and uh I make car wax. Actually we make about 300 different types of surface care products for just about

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every type of surface you can imagine marketed under our family name. It's a family business and uh in the car field we worked with the car manufacturers around the world and uh. The the dealerships, the body shops, the detailers, and then on into all the mass

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retailers and uh the, the car shows, the car buffs, the car enthusiast part of that business is the fun part of the business. I enjoy my business. Um, but I must tell you, dwarfs, it's dwarfed by, um, our love for sharing our faith in Jesus Christ.

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Uh, Care and I, um, been married 38 years. Uh, we're partners in ministry. I was blessed. I was born into a Christian home, a God-fearing home, a home centered around the church. I was given everything. I, I just have been blessed by God all of my

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life for the knowledge and great teaching. Uh, it is interesting that um. Two teet holders, Karen and I who have never had a drink in our lives spend most of our discretionary time with alcoholics and drug addicts. So you can have fun. 30 years ago, uh,

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we met David Wilkerson, the founder of Teen Challenge in California. He invited us to go to New York. And uh for our Christmas party, the annual Teen Challenge Christmas party in Brooklyn where Teen Challenge was first founded. And so Karen and I went and he led

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us through the streets of Bedford-Stuyvesant and up in the rooftops, the shooting galleries. And we saw a part of life we had not. Seen before. Uh, the people who didn't grow up knowing the Lord and didn't have all that teaching. The dark, the dark side of

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life. And a scripture came quickly into mind be in debt to no man except that perpetual debt of love. And here are two teetotalers. That that for now 30 years have ended up just loving those that have not heard the good news that are trapped. And

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alcoholism and drug addiction. And had the great joy of seeing the the transformation of thousands and thousands of lives and it's just fantastic. So 30 years we've, uh, our business takes us around the world and teen challenges around the world 350 centers actually around the world

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and uh so we've seen, uh, teen challenge in just about every type of situation and uh boy we've been blessed more than we deserve and much of that blessing has come through just our connection just let it rub off on us a little bit. It's not

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just money, it's time it's just being there and sharing and and boy you can't out outgive God, can you. Bob, you know, uh, George's mention of, uh, angels, uh, puts me in mind of what, uh, the great author, uh, Chesterton once said that the reason that

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angels can fly is that they take themselves lightly and I'm struck by the fact that these 6 find. Uh, human beings, uh, clearly take themselves lightly, doing the most serious work, uh, conceivable in a lighthearted and generous manner, Bob, um, as you know, for 25 years.

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I was a foundation CEO. Uh, most of those years, uh, I could not see. Uh, we made every conceivable effort. To bring an end to poverty in this nation, we transferred trillions of dollars in that period of time. And uh it had some effect. In fact,

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in the last 100 years. The real income of the lowest 20th. The lowest 20% of the population. Increased thirteenfold while at the same time the real income of the average American. Uh, was exceeded, uh, by, by twice. It was twice, uh, that low. I mean it

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was half of that now. Here yet At the end of 100 years. Some of the conditions that we find are much worse than they were 100 years ago, for example, childhood prostitution. Uh, teenage death. A drug addiction. Uh, unwed mothers. How can we explain this society's

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failure over at least 25 years, more like 35 years to, to deal with those and yet you have, you have uncovered people who in their ministries are explain can you explain to us what this is about? Well, I think it's it's in our whole approach and

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the assumptions is that we act as if the principles that operate in our market economy that enables us to create wealth, we abandon those when we come to the social economy. You heard uh uh uh the various people talk about some were labeled retarded. You would

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never have been permitted to receive any position of authority in the social economy, where they rely upon professional credentials to determine who has value and importance. Not what you do. And so as a consequence, government and private foundations and corporations turn to credentialed professionals to construct

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remedies. That are then parachuted into low income communities with the expectation that those in there will be saved. And when these interventions fail, the intervention is never challenged or questioned the way we would in the market economy. We always say it's because it's underfunded. So we

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have created a market out of the miseries of poor people so you have the actual reverse or inverse of what happens in the market economy, which leads me to a question, uh, uh, uh, the other point is, as you know, in, in the whole market economy

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entrepreneurs tend to be people who think out of the box. They make terrible employees. And they tend to be C students or D students. I think it was uh um. Uh, uh, Alabama's first black millionaire, AD Gaston, who had about a 6th or rate education, said

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it's better to say I is rich than I am poor. Yeah. So he would have never achieved any standing in the social economy, but people listened to him because he was a multi-millionaire and smart people hire their PhDs. They don't earn them. But I'd like to

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ask the panel, um, when you're looking for the social entrepreneurs, uh, do you apply any of the principles that operate in the market economy when you're uh looking for the social entrepreneurs? Absolutely not. Because they're not there. Um, so many times there's no financial statement. Uh,

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there's an unorthodox way of of handling the administrative affairs. Um, you don't see what you would see in business, so you've got to look past what we've been educated to understand and believe is a part of success in the business environment so I think you've just

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got to be willing to really. Get on the edge and take some risk and allow some differences to prevail that you're not comfortable with but isn't it true though Bill and others that. If you know that somebody is producing a superior kind of wax for some

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reason, and you go to that person. And he may not have the managerial skills or the capital. Doesn't a venture capitalist then bring capital and managerial skills to the entrepreneurial event? Uh, I, I think that's exactly where you're at. I, those of us who are building

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business, we have to be results oriented. And, and you look at a ministry there's lots of ministries, lots of industries asking all of us for a lot of money. And, and a lot of them look real good and sound real good, uh, but they're doing very

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little on real results. You have to look at the results. Uh, things drive me to team challenges start talking about 86% cure rate. That's results. I, I mean that's like putting money in the bank. I mean, and so I think you look there and then what

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we need to do as business people who have the disciplines, uh, that you're speaking of earlier, then we can help apply. Some of those things, but only I would say lightly because you don't wanna mess, mess with the success. I mean they may or may not

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be helpful, uh, from my standpoint, I from the marketing and advertising public relations arena to put a mirror on just to let more people be aware of this precious ministries what's going on. I think it's one of the great things we can do, you know, I,

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I agree with, uh, I agree with, uh, Bill. Uh, I think the first, uh. The first response that we as businessmen. Look to is look at the financial statement and what kind of return are we getting, you know, from a financial point of view and when

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we go to make an acquisition of a company, we start looking at the balance sheet and we start looking at the assets and we start looking at everything else that's there and we do that and do our due diligence sometime from afar we'll make decisions uh

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before we really go and see what the business is. And until such time as we took the opportunity to go and to see and I think Bill says it so well is that he was able to see um and therefore because he was able to see

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and to feel is that it changed him and he was willing to step out and to take a chance and I think that I think that's the way it is in life the difference between a cloy. And a united way, even though we support the united

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way, is that with clos we can see, we can touch, we can feel we can see the difference we can see the direct result of the investment that we make uh my cuts a little bit different than uh what's been stated so far obviously I agree

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with what's been said, but as a businessman I'm offended by. The system that exists that in essence enables and in some cases even rewards failure. And inappropriate behavior. And so why would I wanna see more resources directed to something that is counterproductive and it is not

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producing the desired outcome, although I might also suggest that in many of the government programs that are are constructed presumably to solve problems that their self interest is in the perpetuation of expansion of those problems as opposed to the solution. And so as a business person

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I look for the bottom line and the bottom line is is not measured exclusively in dollars and a matter of fact in many instances, if not most, it's measured by much more important criteria than simply dollars. And so what this. Uh, grassroots faith based, um, sort

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of entrepreneurial approach to to to social issues and social challenges does is allow us to support the things that do work. The reason I'm sort of changing the approach I've taken and set new criteria for the things I support and with which I get personally involved.

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Is because of my result and outcome orientation as has been said by people much more articulate than am I. We need to think about what it is we're trying to accomplish and who it is who best gets that job done. And invariably those are people who

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can, what I call see around the corner who, who are outside of the mold, outside of the traditional model. The Bob Woodsons of the world who, who, uh, and I also need to give credit to the to the Mike Joyce's of the world who have sort

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of changed the mindset changed the paradigm and have now associated outcomes and results. With inputs, I mean only the government would, would take a program that fails, um, and expand and say the, the explanation for the failure is not enough input. With no expectation, no demand,

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no requirement for outcome. Now the people we're supporting produce and they deliver and the reason we support them is because in fact they do change lives and they change lives for the better. And they set models for others to emulate so I think there's a perfect

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parallel between those of us who are in business and who expect results. The absence of which generates failure. And our inability to accept any longer this this sort of government approach which which uh promotes just the opposite. Says the more you fail, the more we will

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support you. So I think that there is a very direct connection between the kinds of mindsets we all bring to the process and the great work that is being done by those we support. Uh, one instance that I worked with. I went over to a high

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school, happened to be named Dudley High School, and I was a speaker over there. And there was only 3 predominantly black school. There was only 3 boys, black boys that was on the honor roll. And that was challenging and I, I came back. To my office.

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Um I, I talked to my people. I said we got to do something about this. I tell you what I wanna do. I wanna tell the married kid that's in that high school, I'm on some of the college if they become honor roll students. Well, I

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called my staff in and I talked to all of them and I said I need $6 from each one of you to help me out and so someone said, Well, I think I can do it. Most of them said, no, I can't afford to do it.

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I said, Do you really wanna do it? And, and, and they said, yeah. I said, OK, so I called my HR person in and I gave them all $8 raise. And because And Not only that, we got the money, but we got all our executive staff

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involved and the key thing that I did, I'm looking for the spirit of the organization. I think the most powerful thing is the spirit so we got that spirit involved. And when uh We did that. We started working. And I tell you, before we knew, we

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started with the boys because we found out there were more black boys in prison than uh uh are on probation than was in college, and we really wanna do this, so. We did well with it. Before we knew anything, we had 50 kids. I think we

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wound up paying for maybe a couple 100 kids to go to college, uh, and we worked with, with them to, to, to really, uh. Get them them involved, um. I just think that we have to look at the spirit. We look at, uh, will this help

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people and some of the greatest joy I've gotten when I be on the plane sometimes this, uh, lady came, you know, I'm a doctor because you pay my way through a school, and we did it all from our organization from Dudley Product Company. It's been said,

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you know, that, uh. Lyndon Johnson's Great Society spent trillions, I think one person said more than our gross national product or wealth of our country, they spent on programs. But programs will not work. You gotta change men's hearts, then you bring about the change in people.

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But there's one, there's one issue in talking about this though, that we serve thousands of grassroots leaders throughout this country in 39 states. And what they see on television all the time are so-called social civil rights leaders. vilifying, castigating, cussing out businesses as being greedy, money

00:41:56.580 - 00:42:24.439

grubbing, exploiters of American labor, and they are on television, they are attacking them. And then you see them getting checks. On the other hand, I call them ransom. Uh, so what would you say to those folks? Because that looks like a winning strategy. And the question

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is. How do we counter that? With the kind of principles that people like you are articulating here. If you were meeting with your counterparts in the Fortune 500 companies. And, and you were advising them, what would you say to them today? I, I wouldn't waste my

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time. Uh, no more than. I cannot communicate with them any better than they can communicate with me. We may be in the same profession as business people, but we're two different animals. Everybody in. On this panel and so many more like us around the country are

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entrepreneurs we're initiators we're risk takers those guys are not many of them are corporate socialists they allow themselves to be extorted, um, and they. Uh, fortunately I don't have to do business with any of them and or I might be a little more guarded but probably

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not, but, but the, but the fact is that they contribute to the perpetuation of the problem by allowing themselves to pay to pay the ransom you described, Bob. And rather than to try and convert them, which I think is essentially an impossible task, um, I'm, I'm

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sure there's some exceptions, and I don't mean to be, uh, disrespectful, but rather than to spend my energy effort converting them, I would rather go to the other entrepreneurs who think entrepreneurially and say take a risk, do what you would do in your normal day to

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day business activities as you pursue. Your human activities and if you in fact want to help souls go to those people who are saving them. And help them protect them. If in fact Uh, they get into trouble or something doesn't go right, be there for them,

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be there for them when they fail as well as when they succeed. And that's what that's what entrepreneurs do. That's, that's the way we think and that's in our very being it's in our genes, I think, and, and so the, the, the, the Fortune 500 corporate

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socialists, uh, can continue doing what they're doing. And and God bless them because they are supporting the establishment traditional social service delivering agencies, all of which we all support as well, but what they're not supporting are the very people who are gonna change the landscape. And

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that's and so rather than to get them out of doing what they're doing. Some of which a lot of which is good and some of which is counterproductive, I think it's more important for us to talk to those who are outside of that 500 family and

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convince them that there are great people doing great things and they need their support and they need it now I think. You hit the nail on the head, you know, uh, Michael Barron, who's who's, uh, a much admired, uh, political columnist, uh, he's the guy that

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puts out the almanac of American politics, just came out with the new edition in the. For he makes this observation. That we're two different nations living in this country. In one of the nations, it's relativistic, it's materialistic, it's libertine. And uh its premises are the dominant

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ones in government and corporations in universities. It's the elite opinion. They like Hollywood more than they like uh uh uh biblical uh places. The other nation is the nation here and represented, which you all represent. Uh, which is a moral, uh, basis to it. It recognizes

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that poverty. is more than a material matter. That our brothers and sisters living in poverty have a spiritual and moral impoverishment which elite opinion does not deal with. That's why when you transfer trillions of dollars. And you leave out the part about were spiritual as well

00:46:56.070 - 00:47:12.189

as material of course you're gonna fail and the reason why, why everyone here has said, well, what they wanna support things that work. Why, why do you think it is that these things are working? What's the common denominator that makes them work? The fact that they

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take human beings into account. And I think what we have here is a clash of worldviews and I believe ours is on on on the coming edge. I think what what what we're looking at here I've been quoted elsewhere as saying what we have here is

00:47:29.459 - 00:47:46.550

a new science of public administration and it's called faith works. That's what it is. It works because if you leave out the spiritual dimension of men, you cannot change them as George said earlier and it seems to me that's the story that we have to tell

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and rather than give up on them, Steve, I think we should encourage all the Josephs. To tell their stories we ought to highlight these stories we ought to emphasize that one need not be embarrassed to talk about spiritual and moral things in public. And we were

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helped by God in a strange and perverse way on September 11th because you may have noticed that just about everybody in the country, even the Hollywoods, they went to synagogues and churches all over the place. All right, and they went out publicly and said prayers, and

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at that moment it, it became respectable to do so and these business guys that you and I know so well, it's when what what you all have done here is respectable that they'll do it too. They wanna be respected, you know this isn't just a bunch

00:48:34.899 - 00:48:50.750

of nice folks doing nice things. This is a real battle for the minds of men. You would take questions please go over to the microphone microphone right here. Yes, right there. I was really thinking of um one is. How did they get on your way, if

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I could take a stab at that, um, I was in this category of, uh, uh, the God account in the sense that I was a paid professional foundation manager managing money that I didn't earn myself. And uh however taking this the stewardship in a serious way

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and trying to apply business principles in the sense of making real change. And the first thing I would say if I wanted to go in the oil business and I don't know anything about oil. I'm gonna find me the best geologist there is who knows that

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ground and knows where that oil is. That's what Bob Woodson was for me when I decided that the the stories out there deserve some attention. I had to go find these people, so I went to Bob and I famously have told the story. I said, Bob,

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somebody's gotta be doing something good in Milwaukee, but I can't, I can't find who it is, and he said, I'll go. I'll come. He goes out two days later he comes back. He's got 15 groups. I said, Where did you find these groups? He said, well,

00:49:55.350 - 00:50:10.030

the barbershop, of course, he said. He went down in the center city. And he went to the barbershop because that's where people know what's going on in the neighborhood and he asked who's doing stuff with you, who's doing things with agent? I've been, I've been there

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already for almost 10 years, and these things, by the way, were, were all within 2 mile radius of where my office was. So my geologist helped me find where the oil is. So that's the first I think that's the first thing. Let me add a footnote

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to that because right after that Mike had a very uh good staffer, Bill Shambr. And after Bill, after we showed Bill what to look for, Bill found it on his own, but he came to me and said, Bob, I found this program that I think is

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fantastic, and I asked the man to submit a proposal, but it was replete with misspelled words, the grammar was bad. I cannot take this to my board. Can you help? So what we did was we interviewed him on the phone. And then sent him some copy

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and said, is this what you told me? And we found out he was doing twice as much as he had presented to the foundation. And then it was placed on his letterhead, submitted to the foundation. And then we received some support to obtain an accountant. We

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were all of the other managerial things. That's the easy part. But so that's what a, a, a, a sensitive funder, it means all this has misspelled words, I can't take this to the board, so forget it, no. Uh, I've, I've been out, I've seen what they

00:51:35.340 - 00:51:53.719

do. I'm convinced they just cannot express it in a way and and but that's something technical people can do. As a business person and I, we're a little different area I mean you're in the foundation and we're in the business world. Um And believe me, uh,

00:51:53.770 - 00:52:12.699

a lot of people. Uh, come and, and ask you. To do something I mean you get many opportunities. Consequently I think that that people who really have a ministry or service need to be able to be willing to go and to communicate go as you are.

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I mean I've been I've been, I've gone to try to get business in many times and I'll go to a person and I'll say I'm here with my hat and my hat. And from a standpoint, so, uh, we learned Corey because she came and she asked,

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I think it's important for us to let it be known as to what our mission is what we would like to be able to do, and then I think people, you know, need to be able to come and to give us the opportunities in those areas

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doesn't matter to me whether they have misspelled words and so forth. I was a C student. I mean, you know, in this area I was lucky. I in that regard I, I didn't, uh, didn't do too well in English, uh, or any of the other subjects

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now that I'm being honest sitting in here. And I, I also agree with what Mike says. I don't wanna change anything Chloe does. I mean, I don't wanna change anything that she and her whole team for this year. It does. I mean, why do you wanna

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argue with success at what Steve talks about and, and all we would do is that we try to get into it is that we would. Be like the government would mess it up. I'd like to piggyback on what John's saying there uh your question two parts.

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How do you find them and then what do you do for them? First off, I don't think any of us go looking particularly. They come at us so fast. I mean, every, almost every day's mail brings another opportunity. So yeah, we have to recognize we can't

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do everything. So you do have to recognize the limitation of your resources and focus on what really strikes your heart. So as, as they come across my desk, I, uh, some of them, a lot of them you can discount very quickly, but there's a lot of

00:53:55.389 - 00:54:08.500

them where you have to say, God, are you trying to, is there something here and you can help ministries in a lot of ways, uh, you know, as one person or Karen and I as one couple, there's only so much we can do financially. But there's

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many other ways to try to help and occasion some ministry that I'm not at the point where I can do a lot for them financially, but I can tell they need some, some skills or some talent or some help or some inspiration or some things, and

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I'll I'll sit with them and talk with them and spend an afternoon with them and. And all the way up to an organization like Teen Challenge, which involves more of my life than my business really and then you go to my whole office and you go

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anywhere in my office and you'll see Teen Challenge work being done we recognize that those that are in Teen Challenge, they're so successful because they're focused on their ministry. And if we try to encourage them to get into public relations and marketing and raise the awareness

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team challenge, we take them away from what God has called them to do. So, uh, I believe that that that respect God calls us a lot of times to come alongside and do those things they're not equipped to do, but we help facilitate them. And, and,

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and then there's only so much money we can bring in ourselves, but if we do certain things then we can bring in money from and resources and talent and all types of contributions from a broad mass of people and so that's that's the real exciting thing

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I find myself in with Dean Challenger. The other thing and. That I think you give to the groups is validation, and you help legitimate them. Because to other funders will say, well, if Steve Shuck is or Bill or Joe or any of you are at the

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table, then I've got to take a second look at him. And so that's very important to the groups as well, validation. Any more questions? Uh, my name is Louis Fields, and I worked for a nonprofit organization for 25 years in the city of Chester, and I'm

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asking my question is how do the Phillius. Jumpstart an organization that is rich in spirit but have no background on paper. Well, one of the things that the, uh, this administration has discovered. Uh, and the president ordered on January the twenty-ninth an audit. Of the five

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departments that are uh in charge of carrying out charitable choice that was legislated and approved by the Congress in 1996, and they came out with a landmark study in August and what it shows is that the barriers. Are the problem. What you have is not more

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new federal money or any of that sort of thing you've got an unwillingness on the part of uh of uh bureaucrats to fulfill what the law already is. Uh, this is so reprehensible. Further, you have corporations that are paying absolutely no attention to the efficacy that

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you all have seen, the changes that you've seen, and what explains that? Uh, Terry Scanlon's group, Capital Research did a quick study for him. I asked them to take a look at the top 10 corporations in terms of philanthropic giving to see how much, if any,

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was going to face in groups. 6 of them absolutely forbid and say so in in their in their guidelines do not apply. Uh, of the 4 who do. Uh, 3 of the four, their idea is big bulbous national church related like Catholic charities. I don't, I'm

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Catholic myself. I don't mean to pick on the Catholics, uh, Lutheran Social Services, all of whom have lobbies down here, all of whom, uh, are, are more secular than they are faith centered. And that's another story in itself, how that came about and only one corporation

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does anything that you and I, anybody in this room would call faith-based and that's Walmart Corporation to a very small degree. Now just a change of 1% in that payout would would make funds available for the networks that you know Bob majestically and you wouldn't have

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to have a debate over separation issues. There's no First Amendment restriction, but this is how bad the situation is out there. I was on a panel with the head of corporate giving for a huge bank, one of the biggest banks in the United States, and uh.

00:58:21.439 - 00:58:38.810

The, the officer in charge, a uh senior vice president was asked the question, does your bank give anything to face center activity? No, well, why not? Well, because of the First Amendment. I found myself having to say to her, madam, the First Amendment is a restriction

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on the federal national government. That's all. It doesn't restrict private associations. In fact, it encourages them. There's a person in in a in a position of enormous responsibility who in her the poverty of her learning. Misunderstands the the basic fundamental principles of the of the foundation

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of this country. Last question and then we'll have to end. I'm Kimberly Matheson. I work with Young Life. It's hard to, to, um, have any kind of legitimacy or be invited to the table when you say you're faith based because you know there. Misperceptions about what

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it is that you're doing like, you know, you're slipping people tracks and praise the Lord every other word and stuff like that and so what are some of the things that we can do to kind of combat those kind of misperceptions about faith based organizations? Well,

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one of the things that the groups that we support have have done. Is the issue is, isn't the emphasis on your faith. You emphasize that you just do it better. In other words, I tell funders you should fund based upon secular outcomes, not faith inputs. And

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so when we deal with some of these young men that have 55 murders in the 5 square block area and the police couldn't change it and whatnot and some faith leaders went in there. With our help and assistance and as a consequence we haven't had a

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single crew related murder in 6 years now. Uh, what we do is hold that record up to them. And when team challenge of victory says, here are some drug addicts, some thieves, some cutthroats. Last year they were doing this, this year they're doing that. Mr. psychiatrist

01:00:26.540 - 01:00:46.850

or miss psychologist, show me your results. So I really think we need to begin to take this challenge seriously. I proposed before the judiciary Committee with these psychiatrists looking on. Why don't we just go to some cities and let the therapeutic secular industry select 50 people

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at random who are druggies and let Teen Challenge and victory take 50. And at the end of the year, let's see how many are drug-free. That's it. And let them spend their $600 a day and let Freddie spend his $60. And whoever wins the contest gets

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all the money. We're, we're gonna conclude this session and, and something that that I firmly believe that those of us who are armed with experience will always prevail against people who are armed only with an argument. And with that, I want you to please join me

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in thanking the panelists for the time presentation. Yeah